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    These might be a seed/label mix-up or perhaps crossed seed.
    Packet description "like Buttercup squash, but these produce on 3-4' bush plants that stay compact." "3-4lb fruit"

    Plant one confusingly has provisionally set two fruit that look quite different.


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  • #2
    Plant two, started off quite compact and is putting out quite a few small type fruit close together on the stem although it is looking unlike any have set. The plant has started sending out runners.

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    jayb
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    Last edited by jayb; 29-07-2021, 09:18.

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    • #3
      The third plant again initially compact in type it is now sending out runners and the fruit is well yellow.

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      • Galina
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        Very confusing. Yellow fruit is usually bad news. My bush buttercup had very long vines. My ordinary buttercup this year not so much. The second fruit on plant one looks a little strange, it may well develop a larger protrusion, the first one looks exactly right. They are such a good squash and store well, can't have too many of them. Where did you find the seeds?

      • jayb
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        I now think in fact plant 1 is actually two plants which makes a bit more sense.
        Baker Creek a few years ago, though I haven't seen them there since.

    • #4
      Plant 1a (first picture) first fruit has started to develop. I had at the time selfed the flower, though now it is likely I actually crossed plant 1a with plant 1b.
      !a plant growth is very compact. Unfortunately when the second female opened there were no male flowers available so I've crossed it with Gold Nugget with a view to more bush type varieties in the future. I can see a couple of young female flowers growing, the aim is to get one true pollination.

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      • #5
        Plant 1b, this fruit doesn't look like it's developing and is quite different from 1a. This vine is strong and going to be quite long. Several female flowers forming. These two plants obviously have to share available resources.

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        • #6
          Plant 3, the fruit is growing but looks like it is going to be a small one. Vining type plant. I did think the fruit looked similar to Gold Nugget but the plant is growing too long to be GN.

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          • #7
            So plant 1a made just one fruit in the end, another one grew to half size before going yucky. The plant is very much a bush type and the fruit is either selfed or more likely crossed to 1b, either is fine by me.


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            !b (below) has trailed more than 8' and has I think 2 or 3 fruit, hard to tell at the moment as it grew into the dahlias. I attempted crosses with these and think I have
            1b x Bylinka and
            1b x Sibley cross. I won't get too excited until I see some seeds, but hopefully little projects in the making

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            jayb
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            • #8
              Plant 2 is a right trouper by the look of it, I think it might be Red Lamp F1 or possibly Gold Nugget. I've selfed some and had lots of fun making crosses to these, several of which look to have taken. Trailing type growth.

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              • #9
                Plant 3 is much the same as plant 2, although not as many fruits appear set, they are slightly bigger and possibly flatter.

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                I'm still not sure how these became so muddled up, I guess it happens.

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                • #10
                  What a wonderfully productive patch, whatever emerges.

                  I take it that you’re interested in developing some bush strains. Is that simply for interest and variety? Or do bush varieties tend to yield more squash per square metre than trailing types? Or you can simply get more plants of different varieties into the same space?

                  Just trying to get a handle on the advantages or otherwise of bush varieties.
                  Jang
                  Gone Sowing
                  Last edited by Jang; 25-09-2021, 10:38.

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                  • jayb
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                    I started looking at smaller fruiting squash and bush types as sometimes I just want a one portion fruit for a meal, just nice and simple to cut off the top and scoop out the middle, pop in a few tasty bits, season put the lid back on and leave to cook. no waste and no washing up. The bush types were mainly to see if they were worthwhile but as there are few about I think that kind of answers that one.

                    But what I've found is many of the smaller types (apart from being F1's) are just a little too small fruited and not productive enough. Particularly given the size of vine many produce, it is not a productive growing ratio. I generally don't think a bush variety can be anywhere near as productive as a regular trailing type. But as with the fruit set of plant 2 and 3 above and I think it was Speckled Hound out on the plot, the ability to set multiple fruit close to the mother plant as well as spreading out and fruiting might be a useful trait. I think one of the crosses I made is Plant 2 x Speckled Hound and goodness knows what these might give, but I would hope for small to medium colourful fruits, being tasty on productive plants with a somewhat compact growth habit.

                • #11
                  I love the idea of the all-in-one meal - and no washing up!
                  But thanks also for the explanation of the difficulties in finding the right sized fruit on a productive plant. Plant 2 x Speckled Hound sounds very promising. Fingers crossed for all those hoped for qualities!

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                  • jayb
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                    Lol, thank you, sadly hoping and getting - very different things. But it should be interesting growing some out......I hope!
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