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    Following on from growing Crimson Crush F1to trial for Late Blight resistance last year I decided to grow out some saved F2 seeds of Crimson Crush from last year and some Mountain Magic (from a few years ago). Although Crimson Crush wasn't exactly blight resistant grown here it does have some resistance and made a productive outdoor type. I'm unlikely to buy more seeds for the variety again as they didn't come anywhere near to the Late Blight resistant claims made, but I'm quite happy to play around with a few F2's and see if anything worthwhile turns up. Mountain Magic, again to select for anything worthwhile.

    Last years thread for Crimson Crush https://www.growingfoodsavingseeds.c...-crimson-crush

    I've started more Crimson Crush F2 than Mountain Magic F2, not really by design just happened that way

    Interestingly Crimson Crush seedlings are already visually segregating into both potato and regular leaf types.

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  • #2
    How was the segregation from the F2 plants for Crimson Crush F2 and did all be resistant to blight?

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    • #3
      Great question, I'm afraid not. I had quite a mixed bag and mostly failures, it's a very blighty spot here (and even more so for potatoes) anything growing outside on the plot has to be ultra-resistant. I'm still searching for a resistant LB variety, some showed signs of promise but nothing shone.

      Where are my manners? Welcome to the forum, and thank you for your post, a good reminder to regrow and evaluate.

      Have you been growing Crimson Crush, how do you find it grows for you? I've crimson plum growing this year, a nice enough variety quite productive and doing well in the poly-tuunel but I don't know I'd risk it outdoors and expect a crop here.

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      • #4
        Im Growing Galahad F1 and F2. its very resistant for blight and also tasty.

        I also grow these resistant varieties:
        Mountaineer Pride (West Virginia 17A)
        Primabella
        Resibella
        Rondobella
        Sunviva (Very good tasting cherry)
        Vivigrande

        i made a lot of crosses to get better tasting blight resistant F1`s. hope i can test them in 2022.

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        • #5
          I haven’t grown Crimson Crush or any of the others mentioned by Jayb or Doffer except for Primabella, which I grew out of doors this year.
          In fact it is still cropping and although it now has a little foliage blight, the plants are still growing strongly and the fruit is blight free.
          I’ve been impressed by its blight resistance and will grow it again.

          What results have you had from the varieties you list, Doffer? - And welcome to this forum.

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          • #6
            Most resistant Varieties:
            Galahad F1
            Primabella
            Rondobella
            Resibella
            Sunviva
            Vivigrande
            Mountaineer Pride (west virginia17A)

            Varieties that should be resistant but are disappointing in 2021 (wet year):
            Rote Murmel
            Koralik
            Dorada
            Primavera
            Clou
            Red Pearl

            This last list shows something about the resistance of the first list.

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          • #7
            im from Netherlands

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            • Jang
              Jang commented
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              Good to know. Your growing conditions are perhaps not very different from much of UK?

              Your blight resistant testing is of great interest. Thanks very much for sharing your findings. Are you intending to grow the same varieties next year or have you found others to try out? Are you testing for taste, productivity etc as well?

              My limited experience of the varieties you list is that Primabella is impressively productive, especially quite late in the season. I also like the taste.

          • #8
            Originally posted by doffer View Post
            Im Growing Galahad F1 and F2. its very resistant for blight and also tasty.

            I also grow these resistant varieties:
            Mountaineer Pride (West Virginia 17A)
            Primabella
            Resibella
            Rondobella
            Sunviva (Very good tasting cherry)
            Vivigrande

            i made a lot of crosses to get better tasting blight resistant F1`s. hope i can test them in 2022.
            Great list. Did you find Galahad F2 types to be as uniformly resistant as the F1's?

            Brilliant you made crosses, are they all from the list above or did you use/cross these with other varieties also?

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            • #9
              The F2 resistance for late blight is the same as the F1 resistance. Both are very good with blight.

              I made 118 crosses this year. Also with other varieties im trying to cross a very good resistant to a tasty. Or I try to cross two little resistant varieties.

              How was your F2 mountain magic?
              I think it’s a very good plant to make a open pollinated version. The parents of mountain magic is a productive beef tomato x a very good tasting cherry. And the cherry also have the rin gene for long fruit live.
              So if u plant enough F2`s mountain magic u can get a nice very tasting tomato, blight resistant and long shelf live. U can select for cherry, beef or oval tomatoes.

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              • #10
                Hello, i am Thomas i'm new here
                i'm from Germany/Münsterland near the Netherlands zone 7a with much rain.

                i grow Tomatoes forever but was allways annoied by Late Blight, so i did a big trial last year.
                Late Blight was really bad this year :-(, but a good test :-)

                for me the best Varities in 2021 were (Rating 0-10, 10 best)
                - Primabella Rating: 9
                - Mountain Magic F1 Rating: 9
                - Rondobella Rating: 8
                - Sunviva Rating: 7

                Many others peformed bad.

                Greetings

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                • Galina
                  Galina commented
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                  Thank you for these recommendations Thomas, and a big WELCOME to this group of gardeners.

              • #11
                Hello TomatoGarden and Welcome to GFSS from me too, lovely to have a tomato lover drop by

                Did you find Primabella and Mountain Magic shrugged off Late Blight all season? I wonder if taste came into your ratings too, I'd love to know which you found was the most useful and tasty?

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                • #12
                  Last Year was really extreme, i culled the first Tomatoes in the beginnig of August! Had to remove foliage constantly which helped a bit, no spraying .
                  Primabella and Mountain Magic were still alive at the End of September. They had some foliage Lb but i could handle it.
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m15pBcpncSw
                  In Taste tests they were allways in the tops.

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                  • #13
                    I too was very impressed by Primabella this last season. It soldiered on producing out of doors long past the time when all other outdoor varieties had succumbed.
                    I haven’t grown Mountain Magic but have some seed to try in this coming year.
                    The joy of Primabella though is that it’s open pollinated. I have shared some seed but still have a small amount spare if anyone is without and wants to try it.

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                    • #14
                      jayb Do u know Crimson Crush is serigation to Bush (determinate) tomatoes?

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                      • Galina
                        Galina commented
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                        I know you asked Jayb and I hope she will be along shortly.

                        The original Crimson Crush hybrid is not a bush. Chances are that the segregated offspring is also indeterminate, but we don't know what varieties went into the breeding. Rather than looking for bush or not it would be great to dehybridise and get a good and blight resistant new op variety. If this then is bush by chance, that's good too.

                      • Jang
                        Jang commented
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                        I know Crimson Crush is very popular and widely grown. I’ve tended to avoid it for some strange reason. Are its flavour and general growing qualities exceptional, as well as its blight resistance?
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