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  • Young leaf veining - Desirée

    Yesterday I was struck by quite prominent red veining on the young leaves of Désirée pea.

    I haven’t grown it before but it’s apparently a dwarf purple podded pea. I wondered whether such red/purple veining occurs very often in the young leaves of purple podded varieties. Whether or not, it’s very beautiful!


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    These are so pretty and the effect is very pronounced. It is not because of purple pods particularly, but because of the effects of A, the anthocyanin enabler. Here on Swiss Giant, which is actually green podded.

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    Last edited by Galina; 28-02-2021, 13:43.

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    • Jang
      Jang commented
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      Thanks. It will be interesting to see what the colouring is like on the open leaf of Désirée. I’m used to colour in the leaf axil as an indicator of anthocyanin and flower colour, but interesting that pod colour is genetically separate.
      I’ll monitor veining more closely. None of my other peas are yet showing quite this degree of colouring on the backs of their leaves.
      Last edited by Jang; 02-03-2021, 06:17.

  • #3
    Lovely photos of a striking trait. Looks a lot like anthocyanin nerves - an https://pw.ihar.edu.pl/wp-content/up...2019_small.pdf

    As far as I'm aware the genes that are required for purple pods affect the pod tissues only.
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    • Galina
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      This catalogue of pisum genes is a treasure Triffid. Thank you.

      I wonder whether on my photo it is 'just' environmental though, because the leaves below and also behind on the Swiss Giant photo do not have the bleeding. I had it on several plants at one time and not on the early leaves and not on later leaves. Whereas on Jang's Desiree it seems more systematic.

    • triffid
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      I'm not sure whether it (anthocyanin nerves) actually has an affect on anything other than stipules. I can only assume that in [an] plants it would be characteristic of the leaves to not show this trait, otherwise the phenotype description would include leaf veins. Admittedly it's new to me and I haven't seen this phenotype in the flesh (or never noticed it).

  • #4
    A wonderful resource, Triffid. Thank you.

    Stipule nerves are stipulated (!) for an, rather than leaf nerves, which I find rather puzzling. Stipules only; normal leaves?
    I’ll soon be able to see how the veining develops as the leaves open and the plants mature.


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    • triffid
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      Yes I believe it's only visible in such a way on the stipules and not the leaves/leaflets. That's not to say that the leaflets won't have purple veins, but I think that can occur whether [an] is acting or not.
      In Galina's and the gene catalogue's photos, the pigment is surrounding the veins but the veins themselves appear green. Whereas in your photo the pigment is over the vein. I wonder if that's a significant difference, or just because its the underside of the leaf.
      Last edited by triffid; 03-03-2021, 17:35.

  • #5
    An update on Désirée veining. It is much less pronounced on the open more developed leaves.

    But the red does still seem to be in the veins themselves rather than surrounding the veins.

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    • Galina
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      Now you have white and purple veins Jang. Even purple that seem to go off white midribs. Wonder what they are doing now. Triffid yes you put your finger right on the important difference. Not just purple bleeding but actual purple veins. Wonder whether they are still purple veined now.

  • #6
    There seems to be quite a lot of variation. Some of the older leaves lack veining; others retain it. Certainly some quite pronounced veining persists but not quite as striking as initially.

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    Last edited by Jang; 26-03-2021, 06:14.

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    • Galina
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      You also have some patches of purple in addition to the veining.

    • triffid
      triffid commented
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      Those purple specks are interesting - I noticed the same thing on my F2s today. Didn't see them in the F1.

  • #7
    It does look very pretty! I was just looking at some of my pea photos and noticed it on a plant I’m assuming is one of my Golden Sweet crosses.
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    • #8
      That’s very striking. Have you ever used Désirée to cross with Golden Sweet? Or perhaps a different purple podded?

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      • Silverleaf
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        It's probably Golden Sweet x Purple Podded I expect. I don't see that kind of colouring on Purple Podded though, but who knows how the genes have recombined?
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