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  • Court Estate Gold x Purple Podded

    In 2013 I crossed CEG and Purple Podded.

    2014
    One pod containing one seed grew into a plant in 2014. F1 fairly short, semi purple pods, plant just under 5ft tall. Plant started deteriorating in July - that's early.

  • #2
    You are making my mouth water, these are going to look stunning! I thought they might be taller though?

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    • #3
      Well the height is to be taken with a bit of caution, because this one was attacked by pigeons. And it is now pretty withered.

      I did not comment on the seeds. I think the maximum seed count is only 4 in one or two pods. Less in all others. Mostly 2 seeds. The pods are quite short in the F1 generation. I have opened the driest pod and found only 1 seed. If anything this plant did not seem to benefit from hybrid vigour. Both purple podded and CEG have more seeds.

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      • #4
        Perhaps the pigeon attack left the plant slightly weak so it did not perform as well as it could. 2 seeds per pod seems very meagre for this cross.

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        • #5
          Well I have just planted eight F2 plants. Still plenty of seeds left either for further sowing or for next year. These are very nice looking plants, one already with a branch off the second node. Please gales do not dislodge the protective bottle cloches!

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          • #6
            Exciting! Any noticeable colours in the leaf splodges yet? The pink flowering Sugar Beth F3's all had pink axils. Also in the F2's colour was strongly linked and I was able to pick out the couple of pinks I had. I'm looking forward to your progress
            I really must get started.

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            • Galina
              Galina commented
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              The plants are now big enough to start observing. Thank you for the suggestion to look for pink or purple axil colour.
              Last edited by Galina; 04-05-2015, 08:17.

          • #7
            Yeah, you should be able to tell a lot from the leaf axils. These ones will all be purple, assuming CEG has antho.

            With plants that have pink flowers because of b, the axils will be pink/red.

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            • Galina
              Galina commented
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              Been too busy with other gardening jobs but must start observing. Yes CEG has antho. Thank you for the suggestion to look for pink/red axil colour.

          • #8
            It's cool, lots to learn

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            • #9
              What seems to be happening with the b gene is that something goes slightly wrong somewhere in the antho-making process - a slightly wrong recipe, if you like, and so the antho comes out pink/red instead of purple. That means that everywhere the b plant has antho, it'll be red antho - hence the pink flowers and pink/red axils.

              Some other flower colour genes only affect the flower colour itself though, rather than all the antho, and so they show perfectly normal purple in other places.

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              • #10
                Yes, they all seemed to have antho to varying degrees, and if I remember right, a little bleeding into the leaves too. But I paid not much (not enough?) attention to them as I had loads to plant out inbetween squally showers and protecting them from the wind was my overriding concern.

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                • #11
                  I am not expecting pink flowers from this cross as neither parents have pink flowers. Court Estate Gold has purple flowers and yellow pods which are larger and a shade more golden yellow than Golden Sweet. I bred CEG from Golden Sweet x Schweizer Riesen (Swiss Giant) as parents. Both purple flowering too.
                  Last edited by Galina; 04-05-2015, 08:21.

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                  • #12
                    I am growing 8 F2 plants and have photographed Numbers 1, 2 and 6. F2/1 is (I think) with pink axil colour and so is F2/6. F2/5 and F2/8 are not yet out of their bottles, F2/2 has a purple axil spot and a nice double ring (thank you Silverleaf - I can now see it for myself), The others (3, 4 and 7) have purple axil spots.

                    Already they are planted too close to take decent photographs of each individual plant - ah well. I should still be able to determine easily which plant is which as they grow. Each one has its own bamboo support.
                    Last edited by Galina; 04-05-2015, 12:50.

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                    • #13
                      Yay, like those double axils!

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                      • #14
                        Forgot to mention the breeding aim - again a large red mangetout. The two plants with pink are the most interesting out of this batch. Last year I was not impressed with the vigor of the F1 plant. 6 out of 8 F2s are looking as vigorous as other peas in the garden. Quietly confident that this may have been a one-off problem with last year's F1 and not ongoing, but we will see.

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                        • #15
                          Looking good

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